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04/19/2018 09:00 AM Senate JUDICIARY

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             HB 123-DISCLOSURE OF HEALTH CARE COSTS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:16:45 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR COGHILL  announced the consideration  of HB 123.  [SCS CSHB
123(HSS) was before the committee.]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:17:11 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE IVY  SPOHNHOLZ, Alaska State  Legislature, Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor of HB 123, said this  bill is a first step in the                                                               
marathon  to  address health  care  costs  in Alaska.  The  first                                                               
health insurance  in the  U.S. was created  in 1930  and Medicare                                                               
and Medicaid  were added in  1965. She  said no one  measure will                                                               
resolve the  complex problem  of paying for  health care,  but HB
123  is a  first  bite at  the  apple that  gives  more power  to                                                               
consumers.  She continued  to introduce  HB 123  speaking to  the                                                               
following sponsor statement:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      HB 123 empowers consumers to make informed decisions                                                                      
     about their health care  options by ensuring accessible                                                                    
     information on  medical pricing. The bill  will require                                                                    
     health  care providers  to  publish  health care  price                                                                    
     information in public spaces and  on their websites and                                                                    
     to submit  that price information to  the Department of                                                                    
     Health and  Social Services. Individual  providers must                                                                    
     disclose the total undiscounted  costs of their 25 most                                                                    
     commonly provided health  care services and procedures.                                                                    
     Larger medical facilities would  provide the same price                                                                    
     information  for  their  50  most  common  health  care                                                                    
     services and procedures.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska has the second most expensive health care costs                                                                     
     per  person  in the  nation  as  a  result of  a  small                                                                    
     insurance  market  with limited  provider  competition.                                                                    
     Health care  spending in  Alaska increases  faster than                                                                    
     the rate  of inflation  despite the fact  that Alaska's                                                                    
     use  of   health  care  services  is   lower  than  the                                                                    
     nationwide  average.) Because  of the  murkiness around                                                                    
     health  care prices,  consumers  have  little power  to                                                                    
     influence  the  cost   of  desperately  needed  medical                                                                    
     services.                                                                                                                  
       Medical price transparency across the nation could                                                                       
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     save the U.S. $36 billion in health care spending.                                                                         
     More  than  30  states   are  pursuing  legislation  to                                                                    
     increase   price   transparency  across   the   nation;                                                                    
     however,  Alaska currently  has  no price  transparency                                                                    
     law in  place. Price  transparency can  allow consumers                                                                    
     to  take financial  control of  their  health care  and                                                                    
     exercise more  choice in their  providers. Transparency                                                                    
     can   also   begin    the   public   dialogue   between                                                                    
     stakeholders in the health  care industry regarding the                                                                    
     variation of health care costs within Alaska.                                                                              
      HB 123 provides a simple approach to comprehensive,                                                                       
     consumer-friendly  health  care price  information  for                                                                    
     consumers. It may also help  reduce the price of health                                                                    
     care  spending   and  increase  the   accessibility  to                                                                    
     quality  health  care,   while  being  unburdensome  to                                                                    
     health  care   providers  and   facilities.  Empowering                                                                    
     consumers  with price  information  allows patients  to                                                                    
     compare  providers  and  "shop" for  high-value,  cost-                                                                    
     effective   care.   While   health  care   prices   are                                                                    
     negotiable,  health care  is not.  Alaskans deserve  to                                                                    
     know  what health  care  services  and procedures  will                                                                    
     cost before they step into the doctor's office.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ advised  that during  the Interim  they                                                               
made some changes  to the bill that passed  the House. Originally                                                               
the  bill required  only undiscounted  prices (rack  rate) to  be                                                               
posted. Doctors pointed  out that most consumers do  not pay that                                                               
rate and the  Senate Health and Social Services  amended the bill                                                               
to list  Medicaid rates so a  range of prices are  described. The                                                               
bill now also  allows a disclaimer that says the  actual rate may                                                               
be  different  than  the  listed rates.  The  billing  office  or                                                               
insurance company would have the  complete information. She noted                                                               
that  health care  providers have  broad discretion  in what  the                                                               
disclaimer says.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Another  new provision  is  for  a good  faith  estimate that  is                                                               
similar to  the Municipality of  Anchorage ordinance.  This would                                                               
be  given  to  consumers  on  request.  One  difference  is  that                                                               
inpatient  and   emergency  departments   are  not   required  to                                                               
immediately  provide an  estimate.  The good  faith estimate  may                                                               
also  be  provided verbally  if  it  meets the  patient's  needs.                                                               
Efforts were  made to  come up with  something that  is practical                                                               
and  easy  to implement.  The  list  of most  frequently  offered                                                               
services  will only  need to  be run  once a  year and  posted by                                                               
January 30.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ said  HB 123 is not a  silver bullet. It                                                               
will not bend the cost curve in  health care this year, but it is                                                               
a good place to start.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:24:35 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  COGHILL  said he  was  flagging  the  use of  Medicaid  to                                                               
describe the range of prices for discussion at the next hearing.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:25:21 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he  believes the bill  is a  good step                                                               
forward but wonders about the next step.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:25:44 AM                                                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  explained that the bill  is designed to                                                               
put information  into the  community about  health care  costs to                                                               
hopefully  incentivize further  price  transparency  and the  way                                                               
care  is paid  for.  Health  care in  the  U.S.  isn't really  an                                                               
option. Rather,  it's sick care.  Health care providers  are paid                                                               
to give care  when consumers are sick. Helping people  to get and                                                               
stay healthy  isn't incentivized.  She noted  that she  and other                                                               
legislators   are  looking   at  ways   to  explore   value-based                                                               
compensation so  health care providers  are incentivized  to help                                                               
people get healthier.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL said  his  first  response to  the  bill was  more                                                               
negative than  positive because  he questioned  the value  to the                                                               
consumer. He  acknowledged that  he was  coming around.  He asked                                                               
for sectional review.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ said  she appreciates  the time  he has                                                               
taken to  learn about  the bill.  Health care  is a  very complex                                                               
subject.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:29:13 AM                                                                                                                   
BERNICE  NISBETT,  Staff,  Representative Ivy  Spohnholz,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,   Juneau,  Alaska,  reviewed   the  following                                                               
sectional analysis for HB 123, version 30-LS0380\B:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                              
     AS 18.15.360.                                                                                                              
     Subsection (a) (p. 1, line 14,  p. 2, line 1): has been                                                                    
     amended  to  authorize  the Department  of  Health  and                                                                    
     Social  Services   (DHSS)  to  collect,   analyze,  and                                                                    
     maintain  databases of  information  related to  health                                                                    
     care services and price  information collected under AS                                                                    
     18.23.400.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2                                                                                                              
     AS 18.23.400.                                                                                                              
     (p. 2,  line 4):  this is a  new section  that mandates                                                                    
     the disclosure  and reporting  of health  care services                                                                    
     and price information.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       Subsection (a) (p. 2, lines 7-16): providers will                                                                        
     compile  a  list  of the  25  most  commonly  performed                                                                    
     health  care services  from the  previous year  and for                                                                    
     each  of the  services  state the  procedure code,  the                                                                    
     undiscounted  price,  facility  fees, and  the  payment                                                                    
     rates for Medicaid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection  (b) (p.  2, lines  17-25): facilities  will                                                                    
     compile  a  list  of the  50  most  commonly  performed                                                                    
     health  care services  from the  previous year  and for                                                                    
     each  of the  services  state the  procedure code,  the                                                                    
     undiscounted  price,  facility  fees, and  the  payment                                                                    
     rates for Medicaid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (c)  (p. 2,  line 26-31):  if a  provider or                                                                    
     facility has fewer  than 25 or 50  health care services                                                                    
     performed, respectively, the  provider or facility will                                                                    
     compile a  list of  all health care  services performed                                                                    
     with the  procedure code, undiscounted  price, facility                                                                    
     fees, and the payment rates for Medicaid.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection  (d) (p.  3,  lines 1-7):  a  provider in  a                                                                    
     group practice  is not required to  compile and publish                                                                    
     a  price   information  list  if  the   group  practice                                                                    
     compiles and publishes a list,  and the prices and fees                                                                    
     that  the provider  charges are  reflected in  the list                                                                    
     published by the group practice.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:30:59 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR COGHILL said he looks for some modification of that                                                                       
provision.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:31:06 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. NISBETT continued.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection  (e)  (p.  3,  lines  8-30):  providers  and                                                                    
     facilities  will  publish  their   list  each  year  by                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     January 31stand   submit  the list  to DHSS  along with                                                                    
     their name  and location. The  lists will be  posted in                                                                    
     font size  no smaller  than 20, in  a public  area with                                                                    
     the  DHSS  website  address  listed,  and  a  statement                                                                    
     explaining  that  the price  posted  may  be higher  or                                                                    
     lower than  the amount  paid by  the patient.  The list                                                                    
     will  also include  a statement  that says  the patient                                                                    
     will  be provided  an estimate  upon  request, and  the                                                                    
     provider or facilities'  in-network preferred provider.                                                                    
     Lastly, the lists will be  posted on the website of the                                                                    
     facility or provider if they have one.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:31:49 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR COGHILL asked if it will also list an in-network.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. NISBETT answered  yes; it will list  the in-network preferred                                                               
provider for  the facility or  provider. Responding to  a further                                                               
question she  agreed that  in a hospital  the posting  could list                                                               
multiple providers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. NISBETT continued.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (f) (p.  3, line 31, p. 4,  lines 1-4): once                                                                    
     a year,  DHSS will gather  the compiled lists  from the                                                                    
     health  care  providers  and facilities  and  post  the                                                                    
     information on  their website. The  lists will  also be                                                                    
     entered into the DHSS database under AS 18.15.360(a).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection  (g)  (p. 4,  lines  5-25):  when a  patient                                                                    
     requests a  good faith  estimate (GFE)  of nonemergency                                                                    
     health  care  services,   the  provider,  facility,  or                                                                    
     insurer will have 10 days  to provide the GFE verbally,                                                                    
     in  writing, or  by  electronic means.  If  the GFE  is                                                                    
     received verbally,  the provider, facility,  or insurer                                                                    
     will  keep   a  record  of  that   GFE.  The  provider,                                                                    
     facility, or  insurer is not  required to  disclose the                                                                    
     total charges  for the anticipated course  of treatment                                                                    
     but should  provide a portion  of the total  charges of                                                                    
     the course of treatment, or  a range of the charges for                                                                    
     the  anticipated service  if the  provider or  facility                                                                    
     cannot reasonably assess what the services should be.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (h) (p.  4, lines 26-31, p.  5, lines 1-17):                                                                    
     a  GFE  must  include  a  brief  description  in  plain                                                                    
     language  of   the  health  care   services,  products,                                                                    
     procedures,  and  supplies,  the  in-network  preferred                                                                    
     providers, the  procedure code, facility fees,  and the                                                                    
     suspected  identity of  others that  may charges  for a                                                                    
     service,  product, procedure  or  supply in  connection                                                                    
     with the  nonemergent health  care service,  along with                                                                    
     an explanation of whether the  charges are included are                                                                    
     in the GFE.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection  (i)  (p.  5,   lines  18-21):  a  provider,                                                                    
     facility, or insurer  that provides an GFE  will not be                                                                    
     liable for  damages if  the GFE  is different  from the                                                                    
     amount charged to the patient.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (j) (p. 5, lines  22-25): a facility that is                                                                    
     an  emergency  department  will   not  be  required  to                                                                    
     provide a GRE  or post that they will  provide GFE upon                                                                    
     request.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (k)  (p. 5,  lines 26-31,  p. 6  lines 1-2):                                                                    
     Civil penalties  for providers  and facilities  that do                                                                    
     not  comply  with  posting  the  price  information  in                                                                    
     subsections (a)  through (e) will  be $100 a  day after                                                                    
     March 31st. This amount will  not exceed $10,000. Civil                                                                    
     penalties  for providers,  facilities, or  insurers who                                                                    
     do not  provide a GFE  upon request in  subsections (g)                                                                    
     and (h) after  10 business days will be $100  a day but                                                                    
     will not exceed $10,000.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection   (l)  (p.6,   lines  3-5):   providers  and                                                                    
     facilities  that  are  penalized   are  entitled  to  a                                                                    
     hearing  conducted  by  the  office  of  administrative                                                                    
     hearings.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (m)  (p. 6,  lines 6-8):  municipalities may                                                                    
     not  enforce  an  ordinance that  imposes  health  care                                                                    
     price  disclosure  requirements inconsistent  with  the                                                                    
     regulations in Section 2.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL offered his understanding that this is fairly                                                                     
close to the Municipality of Anchorage ordinance.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ confirmed that this was modeled on that                                                                
ordinance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. NISBETT continued.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (n)  (p. 6, lines  9-31, p. 7,  lines 1-21):                                                                    
     health  care  facility  excludes the  Alaska  Pioneers'                                                                    
     Home,  the Alaska  Veterans' Home,  an assisted  living                                                                    
     home,  a long-term  care nursing  facility licensed  by                                                                    
     the  department,  a  hospital operated  by  the  United                                                                    
     States  Department  of  Veterans  Affairs,  the  United                                                                    
     States  Department of  Defense,  or  any other  federal                                                                    
     institution  are described.  Department, facility  fee,                                                                    
     health care facility, health  care insurer, health care                                                                    
     provider,  health  care  service,  nonemergency  health                                                                    
     care  service, patient,  third party,  and undiscounted                                                                    
     price are also defined.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3                                                                                                              
     (p.  7,  lines 22-26):  An  individual  who has  health                                                                    
     insurance  can request  a  GFE  of nonemergency  health                                                                    
     care services  and receive the same  information listed                                                                    
     in subsection (g) and (h).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4                                                                                                              
      (p. 7, lines 27-31, p. 8 line 1): The DHSS can adopt                                                                      
     regulations to implement the changes in this Act.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5                                                                                                              
     (p. 8, line 2): Section 4 of this Act will take effect                                                                     
     immediately.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6                                                                                                              
     (p. 8, line 3): Except for Section 5 of this Act, the                                                                      
     effective date is January 1, 2019.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:38:00 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR COGHILL outlined the path for the next hearing and held HB
123 in committee.                                                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 123 - Explanation of changes (ver. O to ver. B).pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Letters of Opposition.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Letter of Support - Fairbanks Chamber.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Letters of Support.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Sectional Analysis (ver. B).pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Sponsor Statement.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Supporting Document - ADN Article.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Supporting Document - Health Care Price Transparency Laws.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123
HB 123 - Supporting Document - How Price Transparency Can Control the Cost of Health Care.pdf SJUD 4/19/2018 9:00:00 AM
HB 123